Dive Deeper: Building LGBTQ+ Safe Spaces Beneath the Surface with Greg Hamman
What if the safest place to be yourself… wasn’t on land?
In this episode of Pride Nomad Unleashed, Ken sits down with Greg Hamman, the force behind Undersea Expeditions, a global LGBTQ+ dive travel company that’s been quietly building something far more powerful than vacations: community, safety, and belonging—underwater.
This isn’t just about scuba.
It’s about:
🌈 Why LGBTQ+ travelers still need safe spaces—even today
🦈 The truth about diving (and why sharks aren’t the scary part)
🌍 Traveling to places that don’t fully accept you—and why it still matters
🤝 How “found family” forms when you put people in extraordinary environments
💥 The evolution from rejection (“we don’t want your group”) to demand (“please bring your group”)
🌊 How the ocean becomes a level playing field—where identity fades and connection deepens
You’ll also get a real behind-the-scenes look at how these trips work—from beginner divers to hardcore liveaboard experiences (yes, 4 dives a day), and how even total newbies can safely enter the world of scuba.
And if you’ve ever thought:
“I want adventure… but I want to feel safe doing it.”
This episode is for you.
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Dive Deeper: Building LGBTQ+ Safe Spaces Beneath the Surface with Greg Hamman
Trading Corporate Suits for Wetsuits
Meet the dude who traded his IBM suit for a wetsuit and never looked back. As the owner of Undersea Expeditions since 2004, he has been creating safe spaces for LGBTQ plus divers to explore the world's most beautiful reefs. This is not your typical travel company. No. Started in ‘91 by Chris Winkle, Undersea was blazing rainbow trails underwater before it was cool. Now it has basically become the ultimate found family for dive enthusiasts. Think about it. Who else can you make lifelong friends while swimming with sharks and exploring coral reefs? Maybe that's why 90% of their guests keep coming back for more adventures. This is the show where the ocean meets inclusion, and every dive creates connections that run deeper than the sea.
I love it.
We're going to leave it just as f**ed up as that is because you know what? This is unleashed. You are in Hawaii, which is a great place to be for diving. I used to live in the Caribbean. I used to live in St. Croix. Our population is a lot less than yours in Honolulu. Still, the whole island thing is very similar, where we really have a different perspective on the way life gets lived, which is pretty awesome. How did you get into this business?
The Power of Group Travel
I started vacationing with Undersea Expeditions in the early 2000s, in 2001 and 2002, and really just fell in love with the trips. To be honest with you, I was nervous about group travel. I had always been the organizer among my friends, and I did not like the idea of leaving the details to someone else. I was afraid there would be a markup and all of that. The first trip that I went on was under a thousand dollars, all-inclusive at a resort in Honduras. It was 30 wonderful men, many of whom still go with us and I am still friends with today. I absolutely fell in love with it.
That is, and that is cheap. That is pretty awesome. A little bit of a concern for groups as well, just because if you do not fit in right, it could be a disaster. Are you primarily doing gay tours?
Yes, they're all LGBTQ plus. As I say, the plus is for our friends and allies as a family.
I am trying to avoid messing up the letters as I say it. I fall back to gay, meaning all-inclusive gay. I do not want anybody upset with us. Yes, it is LGBTQ plus, and we love the pluses. That is so much more fun. I'll tell you, a number of years ago, my mom and I did a bus trip through Ireland, and it was in this bus full of heterosexual lovely people, but honest to God, I was so bored. It was horrible. The tour guide was a lesbian. She was fabulous. The rest of it, between her and us, there was a sea of cardboard.
Would it not be great to have a tour that was like gay guys and their moms? To be on a trip, to learn to dive with others so that you can be yourself, especially now, is so important. Inclusion is an overused word right now, but in a caustic society, which is getting tougher and in the US at the very least, having a place that you can go home to, that you can feel safe in, is critical. What you're doing is really important.
Creating Safe Spaces Abroad
Thank you, Ken. We went through a time where we thought everything was looking great and people questioned why we even needed to have this kind of a space. Now people see more than ever, especially for trans folks, it is very important to feel safe and surrounded by friends and family and allies.
Are you primarily doing dive trips in Hawaii or are you taking people to other parts of the world?
They are all around the world. We try to offer one trip a year in Hawaii. Although this year, Fiji went out. It was just too good a deal to resist. Honestly, the flight from the West Coast is not much longer, and there is nonstop service from DFW now as well. Fiji it is. We have got a very large LGBTQ mixed group going in November.
That's fabulous. Other than Fiji, where else, what other trips are you doing?
We have got the Cayman Islands coming up in May. We have got a women-only trip in late the last week of April, the first week of May, and for men only, a trip to Little Cayman or the Sister Islands over Memorial Day at the end of May.
For people who do not dive, I have never done a dive trip. I lived in Thailand for nearly ten years and never learned, which is like that religious stuff. I lived in the Caribbean for like eight years. I slept a little bit. I never dove. For people that are either a little bit afraid of learning to dive, for the claustrophobia thing, the conservative, all that stuff, will I just do I have a home with you, or do I need to have some prerequisites before I get on one of your trips?
Many of the trips you can learn to dive on, or you can even just try and dive. A lot of times things that are scary and difficult in a big environment are a lot easier. We have one-on-one time with an instructor, and you can feel calm and be yourself. That is good. Diving's not for everyone, and we have some mixed marriages where one partner dives and loves it, and the other prefers to hold down the lounge chair at the pool at the resort. We have trips that cater to that as well. Our Cozumel vacation over Thanksgiving is at an all-inclusive resort. Just two dives every morning. The afternoons are free to explore the island or spend time with a non-diving companion.
That's neat. It is important that someone hold down the fort because who knows what could happen when you're gone. It is very important to do. It's funny, I remember when I was snorkeling, I was doing a trip out of Key West a number of years ago, and they said, “Do not touch the sea bottom. It was only like four feet deep because you will affect the environment and whatever.” It freaked me the hell out. I was just learning to snorkel. I was totally freaked. Once you calm down and get out of hysteria and recognize you really can breathe and that you will not die, it is a cool thing. That's fun.
Honestly, my first dives were right there off of the Galt Ocean Mile in Fort Lauderdale. The reason why I even took it up was that I had been a snorkeler, and snorkeling is actually quite challenging. Scuba requires more training, but for snorkeling, you have got to clear that tube. You can only stay down so long. You've got to think about when you are going to get your next run. With scuba, you have got your air with you. I just wanted to go down and look at fish and not have to worry about dealing with the snorkel. Scuba grew from there, but that was my initial thought, and it's a good place to start.
We went from destinations rejecting our group to resorts actively asking how they can welcome the queer community. That is progress.
There's freedom there and the beauty of why we still have it. Having lived, I was looking at Chris's bio when he talked about diving in Cairns. The whole idea of the Barrier Reef is shifting now, and it's another place I've lived in Sydney for so many years. I still have never gone to the Barrier Reef. I went to Cairns but never to the reef. Not yet anyway. Now I have to join you, and now I have to report about it. We'll put it in the newsletter because that would be a fun thing to do for sure. As a business owner, what has been the biggest challenge you have had to deal with over the years? Not putting on the spot.
I am trying to think. The biggest challenge, of course, was COVID. Prior to that was the financial crisis in 2008. Those were both quite challenging. As far as business challenges of destinations or something, it is really one of the gratifying things of doing this for twenty years is we went from an environment where my predecessor would reach out to destinations and often get a homophobic response.
Say, “Why, maybe we could not use their resort or would not be welcome.” On the other hand, it is much more likely that I am going to get an unsolicited inquiry from a resort and say, “We would love to welcome an LGBTQ group.” I need to say, “Tell me what it is that you offer the queer community? What makes your place special? Why do we want to come there?” That is nice. I would say overall, the arc has definitely been more welcoming. That is really good news.
When you said that you were going to be going to the Caymans, I reacted to that because there is some history behind it. I do not know how many years ago it was. I think it was an RSVP or an Atlantis ship that was not allowed into the Caymans?
Correct.
I guess the boycott's over now, which is good.
Overcoming Tourism Boycotts
That has been for about fourteen years. Chris Winkle, the founder of the company, was very involved with Rich and a number of other LGBTQ business owners to start that boycott. I want to mention what really, in my opinion, made the difference, because they were not counting dollars, so they did not know whether they were missing or not. What made the difference were our allies there on the island.
We had Pilar Bush in the Ministry of Tourism, who was pressuring from the inside. We had a wonderful woman named Nancy Easterbrook, who was then the owner of Dive Tech on the North Coast of Grand Cayman, who went to the government and said, “This is not who we are. This is not hospitable. This is making us look bad. It makes us look like an uncivilized, barbaric place.
You need to change this.” That pressure from both inside and outside working together. It made a difference. Today, same sex relationships are recognized in the Cayman Islands. They have a pride parade, which would have been absolutely unthinkable 25 years ago. It is good that we do not hear a lot of good news these days. It is nice to see that there are places where progress is being made.
I'm thrilled to hear that. That makes me very happy. Thank you for making my day. I admit the ignorance of not knowing that, but this is a place. It is. The fact that we're able to make shifts and changes is certainly important. What we do, I'm a big believer that travel is really a peacemaker because it helps us understand each other. Of course, as we bring whatever color dogs we're talking about, it makes a difference. At Whistler in Canada for the Gay Ski Week years ago when they first started it, and I think I forget whether it was 25 years ago, 30 years ago, something long that was years, the way they got the community to buy into it was that they put markings on the currency as the city.
I have not heard that.
If you go to their website, that was a surprise. It talks about that. It's fascinating. I used to go there decades ago before it was Whistler Pride. It was called Altitude. We do. You have a legacy of what we do, and they're saying that what you create, certainly in a sports community, was ever a homophobic kind of a community?
That's exactly what Chris started doing in the nineties, because I hate to say it, but even today, it's certainly much less rare, but there are situations where people who can pass and they hear things that, or some people just do not care. There is definitely still homophobia and certainly transphobia out there. It is not that it's entirely unsafe to dive on your own. There are certainly destinations that are better than others. Unfortunately, that's a risk you run when you get on a boat where you do not know the other people, where it's not an affinity group.
Scuba isn't just about exploring reefs. It is about building a found family in extraordinary environments where you can be yourself.
No, I would much rather dive. Again, I'm new to this. If I'm going to dive, I do not want to dive with you. I want to be with someone that I can trust, be that I feel comfortable with, see who this group of people is that I will enjoy being around so that I do have that cocoon of support. It's really important. I look at what you're doing, not so much as an option, but as truly a foundation that's important for the community. I'm not being patronizing.
It's really important that there's not an outlet if someone wants to do scuba, like I really should have done years ago. Where am I going to want to do it? In a place that I know I'm going to be accepted and feel comfortable and so on. I would have been fine. I would have been fine going to Koh Tao in Thailand. I should have gone years ago. Now that I know about you, why would I not just go with you? That just makes so much more sense.
We'll return to Thailand next February. I'm very much looking forward to it. We go to a lot of countries that are where LGBTQ rights are secure. Those are great. On the other hand, we also travel to some places like Egypt and dive in the Red Sea. That is not for everyone. I understand that. My hope is that, like the Caymans, eventually, we're going to change some hearts and minds and bring some progress. In the meantime, there is safety in numbers. We try to make that. Gay divers are still going to travel to the Red Sea. I look at it as if it's my job to see how they can do that safely and comfortably.
We've had this conversation about Egypt before. The conversation is number one, certainly for people who are going to Egypt. Read the room and be mindful of their culture. Some people, you have got to bring them along the way so that they can go. If you're going to just immediately throw water on them, of course they're going to get scolded. If you gradually raise the temperature, they'll get used to it. It's a great metaphor to have people just start to recognize that we're cool.
We're fun. We play better music, we look better, we take better care of ourselves. Come on. Why would you want to hang out with us? At the same time, we do, I think, in a lot of ways. You raise this as a political issue as well, because a lot of people do not want to go to Egypt or other areas like Kenya and so on, because they do not welcome us yet. How are they going to know to welcome us unless they know that we're not a threat? There's that challenge.
I respect that decision. I absolutely understand that. I spend my money where I'm wanted as well. You definitely see both sides of that coin.
I still want to go to the pyramids. It was another great case. The government of Italy is now completely non-loving of us. Yet the Italians love us. How do you manage that? If we took it to the ends, the black, just black and white with no gray in them, we're going to miss a lot of the planet. It is a challenging situation.
You raise a good point. One of the things I do not want to fixate on is Egypt because that's, I want to go.
I really want to go. I want to go. I struggled with some of that as a publisher and as a member of not just the LGBTQ community, but also the Pride community. I have to balance that, but I also do not want to cut my nose to spite my face. By being out, we help create peace. If they're killing us, that's another conversation, but that's not Egypt.
One thing that I've done in Egypt and other places is that we try to find some of the local community. I ask them, “Do you want us to come? Is that helpful to you or just raise eyebrows and create an uncomfortable situation?” The answer that we resoundingly get is “Yes, please come.’ They want us to see us use our privilege as visitors to try and make some people aware that we're human beings as well. We're not monsters.
I've heard that before from many others. The same thing. “Please come. We want you.” That's really a beautiful thing. How do people find you as you build your business? The world's open again. COVID's gone for as long as it can be. How do you build your business?
A lot of people find us through a Google search. Sixteen destinations, far more content than anyone else. In fact, it's interesting. I would even say in the early days of the web, right until like 2010, if you Googled Gay Bahamas, you were almost certainly going to find our web page with a trip to the Bahamas. That still happens for some out-of-the-way destinations like Raja Ampat as a diving hotspot. Just absolutely considered one of the best dives in the world.
Again, if you Google Gay Raja Ampat and certainly if you Google Gay Scuba, you're going to find us. We still get questions from people who want to travel to these destinations, maybe not necessarily to dive or maybe dive casually. They'll ask us, “What is it like to travel there as a queer person?” I'm happy to be that resource and share my experience.
What does a trip like that look like? We mentioned two dives in the morning and stuff. I know nothing about this, and a lot of our audiences do not either. I bet a bunch of them want to know how this looks. Ski trip. I know you get them out in the morning, ski all day, and you come back for après-ski. How does a day go, or how does the trip go with you?
What a Scuba Vacation Looks Like
We have two kinds of trips. There are land-based, resort-based trips where we do go out in the morning, diving, typically two dives in the morning. Usually we're able to add on a third dive in the afternoon for those who want that can be optional. As I said, some destinations offer more non-diving activities to do than others. We also have a trip that's called a liveaboard, and that's a small ship, typically 16 to 24 passengers. We go and just stay on that ship for typically a week.
It could be as many as five days, like in Australia on the Great Barrier Reef, or could be ten days, someplace like Raja Ampat, where you really want to get out and explore. It's really all about diving from those. We're diving about four times a day on a liveaboard trip. Again, that's not for everyone. Some people are just getting into diving or like to stay at a resort. They have those options. About half of our trips are resort-based. We offer five or six liveaboards every year for the people who really want to get their money's worth of diving and just be in the water as much as possible.
Here's one thing that I'm questioning. When you say you do like two dives in the morning, how long is the dive? I do not follow what that is, like twenty minutes under the water. How does that work?
Specifically, an hour.
That's cool.
It's fantastic. Then, we need to stay out of the water again for about an hour, sometimes two. That gives us enough time to eat a meal, chat, relax, visit the beach, and then get ready and hop back in and go see fish. I love it.
You're doing like two dives, and forgive me for sounding so ignorant, but people out there are just as ignorant, if not more than me. I know nothing. If you're saying you do like two dives in the morning, does that mean you're going out in the boat for an hour and coming back in the boat, or are you going out in the boat, hanging out in the boat till that extra hour or so, and then going back in the water and then going back to the resort or whatever?
That really depends on the destination and where the dive sites are located. We have got a group this week on Bonaire, which is a very well-known Caribbean diving destination and, as a Dutch Caribbean island, very gay welcoming. Those dive sites are close. They go out for an hour, and then they come back to the resort, and they go out again, and then they do the same thing in the afternoon.
Plus there they can, there's a house reef, and they can shore dive. They can get a buddy, strap on a tank, and dive off of a dock. That's really nice. Other places like Fiji, we try to schedule it for the time of year with the best weather, the flattest seas, where we can get as far out as possible. Just stay on the boat for the surface interval and maybe eat a snack. If we're lucky, then sometimes we get a three-dive day, and we even take lunch and eat it on the boat or eat it on the beach and then do our third dive and then come back in. It really depends on the destination and on the sea conditions.
I forgot about that. That's a good point. That's a good point too. Now you mentioned that you have something happening in Bonaire now and you're not in Bonaire. You have other tour guides that are doing this on your behalf?
I do. The guide for Bonaire, he's our Dutch Caribbean specialist. He feels Saba is his second home, that small island off of Sint Maarten. He leads our trips to Saba and Curacao. We recently started going to Sint Eustatius, which is a very interesting small island, again, off of Sint Maarten, with some very good diving and a wonderful four-star resort that gives us fantastic rates for a dive trip and with a lot of non-diving activities as well.
I have not heard of that one because I'm used to going to St. Barts. I used to live in St. Croix and St. John. We will go to St. Barts all the time, which I miss. Going back to the Caribbean, it's a great place to be.
You don't need to be a star swimmer to dive. A supportive group makes facing your fears underwater easy and empowering.
St. Barts was a little pricey for us, but it was beautiful.
It was back then. Now, probably not. That's the old days. I'm not even going to go down that road. I do have very fond memories of that. How many trips a year do you do?
Sixteen.
When you mentioned sixteen, I was thinking, is that like the number of trips you have over time? That's more than a trip a month. That's heavy duty.
That's exactly what we need. The other trip leaders, besides Robert, we have got a lovely woman named Tara Lee, who leads our women-only trips. I have got a very dynamic trip leader named Jose Reguero who lives in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He's fantastic, an excellent shark scientist from Provincetown. His name is Bryan Legare. He's taking a group to Utila and Roatan in Honduras next month. We have a number of different trip leaders. Everyone has their skill set.
Are you leading trips as well, or are you now landing on Redondo?
No, I'll be taking the group to the Philippines in April. Of course, I am super looking forward to returning to Cairns in November for our Great Barrier Reef liveaboard.
I really want to do that. We may have to have a conversation about that. That would be a lot of fun.
Definitely.
That would be a lot. Is there something else I wanted to ask you now? It just totally went off in my head. What should I be asking that I have not asked you? I know what I want to ask you. This sounds fabulous. Most people who are going on these shows are probably going on holiday. They do not care about anything other than diving and so on. For digital nomads like me and others that are in our community, we see this as a run, and our life is constant travel.
If we cannot take a day or if we cannot take a week, we still need to make calls and do work stuff during the course of the day. Are there trips that are better than others that will allow for us to, and a little bit words are probably more challenging, to allow for us to catch up on a couple hours of work a day, or do we want, are we like, you just better forget about it while you're on these trips?
We definitely have a few digital nomads who travel with us or also just maximise their vacation time, and as long as they can connect, they do not have to take a full day off. It is possible. Most of the trips, certainly broadband internet has become more widespread, especially with Starlink. All of the resorts now have good bandwidth, especially if you're just trying to check email and upload some smaller files. That's fine. A lot of the ships now have Starlink and have access. It is pretty doable. It's always a good idea to check with us first and find out what the situation is.
I'm glad you raised that because I had not thought about the Wi-Fi part, which is fundamental. I was thinking in terms of, do I have time because of all we're doing? Can I pull a couple hours in the morning or in the afternoon or evening and not miss out? I do not want to miss out if I'm going to be doing that.
Travel acts as a peacemaker. When we show up as our authentic selves, we change hearts and minds in places we never expected.
Again, that depends on the trip. Some of them have more time available in the afternoon. I like to use it for napping, but if you want to work, can you go ahead?
As I hear people laughing in the other rooms, I do not want to miss a damn thing. Since my audience is digital nomads, I want to be mindful of that office. This is really cool because I think that for our community to be able to travel the world, to do some trips that are exotic and affordable, allows for some fun stuff.
The other thing I'm thinking about too is that because of the fact that you went to a variety of different places, such as the Philippines, Thailand, and others, what we can do on our travels is, let's say I want to do a month in the Philippines. Great. Three weeks here from the go to Boracay, or I'm going to go to Princesa or from where I'm going to be, and then there's a week with you. It still fits the lifestyle category. That's what I think is beautiful. You can coordinate this into your world tour.
Agreed.
That's really cool. Actually, I'm going to ask you this way. What's been the most interesting tour that you've had where it looked like it was going to go south, but you've turned it around and made it super fun? What the dirt was like, how did he fix that? How did you turn “S***” into “Wow?”
I do not know. You put me on the spot again here, Ken. Let me think.
I know. Give me a chance to have some more water. I figure you probably.
Let me mention this. Have you been to, you said you lived in Sydney, you've been to Mardi Gras?
Of course. I'm missing it this time.
Going on Saturday. Are you?
I hate you. I've been in the past, however many years ago, and never mind. I've volunteered for Mardi Gras for years and years.
It's over my birthday, the first weekend in March.
When's your birthday?
March 4th.
Mine's March 2nd. Happy birthday.
You’re Pisces. You got to be in the water.
I know, right? My birthday has been like my birthday weekend. Like, “Yes baby.”
It's fantastic, it's so much fun. However, that is the wet season in Queensland, and it is definitely not the best time to dive. That said, we have had some good trips to Heron Island, because it's far enough in the south and does not get the cyclones like Cairns and Townsville up in the north. We've been fairly lucky. We also had another trip to Heron Island where it was pretty much windy all week, and we had to make our own fun. One of the things, the nice things about Heron Island and how we saved that trip was by focusing on not just the ocean wildlife, but Heron Island is a bird sanctuary as well. We focused on the birds and the turtles. It is turtle hatchling season, so we got to see the turtles emerge from their nests. We just make the best of it.
That's awesome. I've never seen the turtles hatch tonight. That just sounds fabulous. The key is staying flexible. When you deal with the elements, will you dive when it rains?
Yes. We're going to get wet anyway.
Sea's one thing. If I'd like, I swim when it rains. Who cares?
As long as we can get back on the boat safely, that's the main concern. We do not want to be in choppy seas where we cannot be seen on the surface or where coming up the ladder would be dangerous. We always put our divers' safety first. Otherwise, people always ask me, “Aren't you afraid of sharks?” No, I'm afraid of propellers, ladders, ropes, people. These are dangerous things, right? We're very mindful. We want people who are very cognizant of their surroundings, have good situational awareness, and the wildlife is not going to bother us. We definitely dive in the rain plenty of times.
I had not thought about sharks, but you mentioned sharks. Have you had any shark experiences?
Confronting Fear and Finding Wildlife
Absolutely. We seek them out. We were just in the Maldives and diving with tiger sharks and a great hammerhead. It was absolutely fantastic. We also offer one shark week a year where the attraction is. Again, it's not for some people who want a bunch. It's like diving in a bathtub. They're not going to see a shark the entire week. That's fantastic. That's a good place to start. Others of us know we love it. Last year I was with my best friend. We were diving, and we had one of those magical three-dive days at a place called Mount Mutiny. On the last dive of the trip, we spent time with three silver tips at 100 feet below the surface. It was absolutely fantastic to have these enormous creatures near us, but not threatening, and to really get to see something majestic underwater.
Now I know that many sharks are, I should not say I know, because I've heard that many sharks are not like man-eating ones that have jaws. Am I right about that?
You're absolutely correct. Earlier in the Fiji trip, we had a scalloped hammerhead, which is a small hammerhead, the size of a pony. That came right past the group and swam just right past it. It was absolutely a wonderful moment. It made the week for me. Those are completely harmless, non-threatening. It came up to us from the depth because it was curious. What are these bubble blowers? How do you beat an experience like that?
True safety isn't just about physical security. It is about being surrounded by people who celebrate who you are.
It's amazing. That's so cool. That's definitely bucket list stuff. Is there any physical minimum requirement that one has to have to be able to dive with you guys?
For the standard PADI or other agency certification, open water certification, there are requirements. Obviously, you have to be able to swim or have some locomotion in the water and float. It's only some reasonable competency. You certainly do not have to be a star swimmer. There is adaptive diving available also for people who have different abilities. For example, some people dive with, we have a couple of divers who have a leg prosthesis, and they deal with it in different ways.
They have one specifically for scuba. Maybe they use their fins differently. There are also hand fins for propulsion. Diving definitely tries to be inclusive. As I said, for me, what I really want is for someone to keep their wits about them and be aware of what's going on. If you're very dingy and not paying attention a lot of the time, diving is probably not the sport. Physically, you want to be in reasonably good cardio shape because you are swimming and it's a lot of kicking for propulsion. Strong legs are good.
If we're going to recommend a trip for someone that's just getting started like me, what kind of a trip would you recommend? What would you look for? What I want to look for I'm going to come on if it has me being a virgin diver.
Getting Started as a Beginner
I would say definitely ask us about easy diving, ask us about the quality of instruction. We have the two Cayman Islands trips where not only is the diving fairly simple, definitely easy for beginners, but the dive shops are very professional so you can get good quality instruction. They've also got that supportive group around you where everyone is cheering for you and rooting for you and sending you good vibes and welcoming you into this underwater world. That's really important to have that supportive community.
This is brilliant. Is there anything I should have asked you that I haven't?
You've been pretty perceptive. You put me on the spot there a couple of times, and I appreciate it.
I did not mean to surprise you that way.
I know, it's all good.
I tell you, I certainly want to invite our community to reach out to you. We're going to put all your contact information, Greg, into the show notes so that people can find you. I know you had a couple of ideas in mind for things that would benefit our community. I will not put you on the spot for that because we haven't had a chance to talk about it before we started this. You will find it when you go into the podcast episode for this. You will find something special. I know that we will have created for you whatever it may be.
It'll be a surprise to me because I do not know what it is yet. It could change, which is why we do not tell you about this. Go to the show notes. For heaven's sake, I absolutely want to. If you're thinking about doing scuba, you heard this gentleman. I'm going to go on a trip with him. You guys should too. I'm excited. I never gave this any thought. Now I have to figure out how to coordinate my life to be able to spend a week with you.
Thank you, Ken. It's been an absolute pleasure.
To that end, ladies and gentlemen, get in touch with Greg, go jump in the water, and have a good time. Have a great afternoon, great evening, great morning, wherever in the world you are. Thanks, Greg.
Thank you.
